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Cerby

Well-known member
#1
Hey guys,
Recently I've heard discussion of a "city vault with millions of tokens in it" stored within the Nexus of the city, and that such would be a valuable target in the event of rebel actions. This, however, is absolutely stupid. In this post, I'm going to detail the issues of this and also of the economy system as a whole from a lore and practicality standpoint.

Artificial Capitalism
Capitalism is dependent upon the presence of competition and exchange of goods, services, and resources to survive. It's about private business responding to customer wants and needs, and fulfilling them in the most efficient way possible to produce a profit.

Today, we have a healthy, functioning global capitalism system. Each country on the Earth has their own goods and services that they produce with different resources spread out all over. If a country wants a good, service, or resource from a country that has them, they trade it.

However, capitalism doesn't work when it's one world government with totalitarian power, slave labor, and total resource control. The Union hits all of those traits. The Union does not realistically utilize capitalism in government functions.

Rather than acquiring what they need through currency exchange and pleasing the citizenry, the Union rules with an ironfist and a gun. The people, as we see in HL2 and in lore, are all used as an involuntary workforce. If the Union wants a resource, they can simply order it under threat of personal harm. They don't have to pay anyone off.

The currency system they have exists solely to facilitate some sense of normalcy and occupy citizens. After all, if citizens spend their time grinding for a currency you directly control, then that's just another ransom or loyalty factor you have over them. Currency would not be used by the occupational governments of the Union realistically because they're an essential part of the Union and they also directly control everything from resource extraction to the manufacture of goods required. The Union orders gun metals extracted, the Union has machinery or human slaves transport it, and the Union has it milled and made into final products. There's no middle man, no transportation costs, and no other producers besides the Union. Hence, absolutely no reason to have government equipment costing money.

The Union would not have city governments set a budget and make purchases. They'd simply distribute what is needed and that's it. The global economy for that to happen simply doesn't exist without private industry competition.

So no, you don't have "a vault with millions of tokens" tucked away in the Nexus. City governments would get shipments or produce their own goods. You don't have units paying tokens for their own equipment and supplies necessary to do their Union jobs.

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WhateverAlex

Core Member
Administrator
#3
This "vault of a million tokens" is the budget I collect weekly and stow away. I use most of it in weekly payments to factions, the rest go toward orders that are done in meetings for specific factions if they so choose.

Also, in case you are worried, it is not actually a million tokens.
 

Sebastion480

Valued Member
CRP Gold+
#8
Hey guys,
Recently I've heard discussion of a "city vault with millions of tokens in it" stored within the Nexus of the city, and that such would be a valuable target in the event of rebel actions. This, however, is absolutely stupid. In this post, I'm going to detail the issues of this and also of the economy system as a whole from a lore and practicality standpoint.

Artificial Capitalism
Capitalism is dependent upon the presence of competition and exchange of goods, services, and resources to survive. It's about private business responding to customer wants and needs, and fulfilling them in the most efficient way possible to produce a profit.

Today, we have a healthy, functioning global capitalism system. Each country on the Earth has their own goods and services that they produce with different resources spread out all over. If a country wants a good, service, or resource from a country that has them, they trade it.

However, capitalism doesn't work when it's one world government with totalitarian power, slave labor, and total resource control. The Union hits all of those traits. The Union does not realistically utilize capitalism in government functions.

Rather than acquiring what they need through currency exchange and pleasing the citizenry, the Union rules with an ironfist and a gun. The people, as we see in HL2 and in lore, are all used as an involuntary workforce. If the Union wants a resource, they can simply order it under threat of personal harm. They don't have to pay anyone off.

The currency system they have exists solely to facilitate some sense of normalcy and occupy citizens. After all, if citizens spend their time grinding for a currency you directly control, then that's just another ransom or loyalty factor you have over them. Currency would not be used by the occupational governments of the Union realistically because they're an essential part of the Union and they also directly control everything from resource extraction to the manufacture of goods required. The Union orders gun metals extracted, the Union has machinery or human slaves transport it, and the Union has it milled and made into final products. There's no middle man, no transportation costs, and no other producers besides the Union. Hence, absolutely no reason to have government equipment costing money.

The Union would not have city governments set a budget and make purchases. They'd simply distribute what is needed and that's it. The global economy for that to happen simply doesn't exist without private industry competition.

So no, you don't have "a vault with millions of tokens" tucked away in the Nexus. City governments would get shipments or produce their own goods. You don't have units paying tokens for their own equipment and supplies necessary to do their Union jobs.

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Well, in SCG lore apparently, cities go to war over resources, and that means that each city is an independent government following the Union outline
 

Sebastion480

Valued Member
CRP Gold+
#9
Hey guys,
Recently I've heard discussion of a "city vault with millions of tokens in it" stored within the Nexus of the city, and that such would be a valuable target in the event of rebel actions. This, however, is absolutely stupid. In this post, I'm going to detail the issues of this and also of the economy system as a whole from a lore and practicality standpoint.

Artificial Capitalism
Capitalism is dependent upon the presence of competition and exchange of goods, services, and resources to survive. It's about private business responding to customer wants and needs, and fulfilling them in the most efficient way possible to produce a profit.

Today, we have a healthy, functioning global capitalism system. Each country on the Earth has their own goods and services that they produce with different resources spread out all over. If a country wants a good, service, or resource from a country that has them, they trade it.

However, capitalism doesn't work when it's one world government with totalitarian power, slave labor, and total resource control. The Union hits all of those traits. The Union does not realistically utilize capitalism in government functions.

Rather than acquiring what they need through currency exchange and pleasing the citizenry, the Union rules with an ironfist and a gun. The people, as we see in HL2 and in lore, are all used as an involuntary workforce. If the Union wants a resource, they can simply order it under threat of personal harm. They don't have to pay anyone off.

The currency system they have exists solely to facilitate some sense of normalcy and occupy citizens. After all, if citizens spend their time grinding for a currency you directly control, then that's just another ransom or loyalty factor you have over them. Currency would not be used by the occupational governments of the Union realistically because they're an essential part of the Union and they also directly control everything from resource extraction to the manufacture of goods required. The Union orders gun metals extracted, the Union has machinery or human slaves transport it, and the Union has it milled and made into final products. There's no middle man, no transportation costs, and no other producers besides the Union. Hence, absolutely no reason to have government equipment costing money.

The Union would not have city governments set a budget and make purchases. They'd simply distribute what is needed and that's it. The global economy for that to happen simply doesn't exist without private industry competition.

So no, you don't have "a vault with millions of tokens" tucked away in the Nexus. City governments would get shipments or produce their own goods. You don't have units paying tokens for their own equipment and supplies necessary to do their Union jobs.

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This means that they trade and order stuff from each other, which would make sense, but the idea that each city is government is fucking stupid xd
 

Nightshade

Valued Member
Producer
CRP Gold+
#12
i refuse to accept that retarded lore and i deleted all the newspapers (ban me, idc!)
Wouldn’t it make more sense for sectors to war with each other and not cities because sector commanders are a thing

What happens if two cities in the same sector go to war.

This also has a plot hole though.
Does it mean the UeD/ Breen don’t actually have control

Also why is Breen never mentioned in server lore even though he’s a big public figure
 

Cerby

Well-known member
#13
This "vault of a million tokens" is the budget I collect weekly and stow away. I use most of it in weekly payments to factions, the rest go toward orders that are done in meetings for specific factions if they so choose.

Also, in case you are worried, it is not actually a million tokens.
Obviously not - I'm exaggerating just as you are.

The primary issue that you're issuing payments or there's a system for payments to exist in the first place. Factions like the conscripts would realistically have equipment issued - no need for payments. a baseless, Fiat currency. There's no reason why the tokens wouldn't just be recirculated directly to the citizens or destroyed off the bat.

also please ban whoever is writing your lore
 

Nightshade

Valued Member
Producer
CRP Gold+
#14
Union tokens is a baseless, Fiat currency. There's no reason why the tokens wouldn't just be recirculated directly to the citizens or destroyed off the bat.
So
Pretty much like current modern day paper currency?
Paper currency has no gold or silver value anymore, at least in the US.
If the government were to fall, the currency we have will be useless.

Also pretty sure gold and silver had no need to be a currency other than being rareish(?) I might be wrong.
 

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